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What actions would you advise to perform so that the accounts would be banned less often?
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Well you have the main ones

DM
Comment

These if you spam: same message, link, spam words, you are more likely to be in trouble.


Then it is mostly:

IP
Usage
Limits
Repetitiveness
Footprints
Account quality
Luck
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Hey, I'd like to bounce on this topic.

I'm using 13 accounts.
3 were mine, created in 2018.
10 were bought, aged of 2009, which is supposedly a much higher quality.
All were virgins of any use, and no phone numbers were attached to them in the beginning.

On the first 3 accounts (mine), I spammed hard since day 1. I did it manually, but still.
Messages were rotating from a bunch of 4 to 6 pre-written promotional texts, some if not most containing links.
None were using proxies. Two were suspended recently, the first one after 4300 tweets, the second one after around 700 tweets.
Both were recovered after appealing the suspension.
In the end, I'm still using them and spamming hard. They're still alive after a month of intensive use.
Note : At some point Twitter asked me for mail verification, then phone verification. I ended up linking a phone number to 2 accounts, of which one was temporarily suspended (the one with 4300+ tweets).

In the meantime I bought 10 accounts from 2009, and tried to warm them up slowly, by liking a few posts here and there.
All have dedicated proxies (IPv4, bought from buyproxies.org), located in the US.
After 3 days, 3 accounts were banned.
The first one after <200 likes, the second one after <270 likes, and the third one after <300 likes.
I appealed the suspension. The first one is definitively banned, and I received no answer yet for the second account and third accounts.

I don't understand the logic behind these results. There seemingly isn't any, it's like playing casino.

Is it because of the proxies ? But I used dedicated proxies from buyproxies.org, which are in theory high quality proxies ! 1 IP per accounts !
Moreover I didn't use any proxies on the first 3 accounts from 2018, and in the end they're still alive even though they're those I spammed the most with...

Then maybe I went too far with the accounts ? All 10 accounts were using the exact same process, how come 2 of them ended up flagged ? I have no idea...
I wasn't even tweeting things, just liking posts...
Was it really "too far", btw ?
In the promo feature for example, the settings for "safe" are defined at 75 follows/150 likes daily.
I was operating under these values.

Well, maybe it's all about luck !
Do you guys have any recommendations ? IPv6 would help ? Mobile proxies ? Assigning a phone number to the accounts from the very beginning ?
I'm lost.
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I'm following the topic!

My experience is wired though..

I used more than 5000 accs.. some with proxy some without.. and some I did a private proxy for them.

Warn little play hard..etc

My conclusion is: it's all about luck!

No obvious rules and no limits is real to play with..

Sometimes it's the proxy.. sometimes it's the device and other time it's the pattern you use..

Nevertheless I seems to come back every few months to try my luck.. here I'm after maybe 6 months.. and I want play again!
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Fahad wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 1:06 pm My conclusion is: it's all about luck!
Unfortunately, there is definitely some randomness.

do the same thing with one account that was fine with another - not fine.

Twitter are in my opinion using heuristics and and some sort of machine learning / AI which does inject some randomness to the system
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From what I've seen in several forums, it seems everybody is in trouble when it comes to automation.

So far I've been using Twitterdub in order to promote stuff. The accounts are disposable, so I wonder if it's really a good idea to buy aged accounts for that kind of tasks (since they're as likely to be banned as normal accounts).

Also I'm wondering if IPs play a major role in that case. I mean, I've been using dedicated IPv4 proxies, but I might be just as fine with a single mobile proxy ? Any expert opinion on this ?
(and of course, can we use these kind of proxies with Twitterdub ?)
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GrossoPoto wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:59 pm From what I've seen in several forums, it seems everybody is in trouble when it comes to automation.

So far I've been using Twitterdub in order to promote stuff. The accounts are disposable, so I wonder if it's really a good idea to buy aged accounts for that kind of tasks (since they're as likely to be banned as normal accounts).

Also I'm wondering if IPs play a major role in that case. I mean, I've been using dedicated IPv4 proxies, but I might be just as fine with a single mobile proxy ? Any expert opinion on this ?
(and of course, can we use these kind of proxies with Twitterdub ?)
regarding proxies, it's test test test review adapt repeat.

I have had my testing accounts for years. I blast actions with them, I test faulty actions with them to diagnose what needs to fixed. But I don't over use them. I have no issues with bans.

so it is automation per se - well if so, then everyone would lose accounts - and they are not. Usage is very import. As is IP quality and IP RANGE If you are close to other spammers, if you can be footprinted into groups of similar action etc etc
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martin@rootjazz wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:35 pm
GrossoPoto wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:59 pm From what I've seen in several forums, it seems everybody is in trouble when it comes to automation.

So far I've been using Twitterdub in order to promote stuff. The accounts are disposable, so I wonder if it's really a good idea to buy aged accounts for that kind of tasks (since they're as likely to be banned as normal accounts).

Also I'm wondering if IPs play a major role in that case. I mean, I've been using dedicated IPv4 proxies, but I might be just as fine with a single mobile proxy ? Any expert opinion on this ?
(and of course, can we use these kind of proxies with Twitterdub ?)
regarding proxies, it's test test test review adapt repeat.

I have had my testing accounts for years. I blast actions with them, I test faulty actions with them to diagnose what needs to fixed. But I don't over use them. I have no issues with bans.

so it is automation per se - well if so, then everyone would lose accounts - and they are not. Usage is very import. As is IP quality and IP RANGE If you are close to other spammers, if you can be footprinted into groups of similar action etc etc
I can't but agree.

On the IP part, since we don't have control over the IP that we buy and their uses by other buyers (be it those who previously owned it, or the owners of IPs in the vicinity of ours), it's a pure gamble.

On the mobile proxies, it seems to be the most reliable kind of proxies when it comes to automation, from what I've read so far.
I have never used these, and don't know if they can be used in Twitterdub, so I can't comment further on this. I might give it a try if it's compatible with TD, though.
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mobile proxies / residential proxies / 4g proxies / backconnect / IPv6 proxies etc etc they are all the same, they work the same.

You connect via an IPv4 IP address to the provider. They (may) do something with the network on their end, then route you out of their network on whatever service you have. Whether that is IPv6 / residential / mobile. For residential, you are usually routed to some ones home machine who is running a free software that opens a port allowing them to be used as an (often unknowningly) as a proxy, or for IPv6 then route you on an IPv6 address, a mobile service sends you via a mobile network.

But from the apps point of view, the software (twitterdub) just sends your request via a normal IPv4 proxy and from there it doesn't care what happens to you, the request has left us, and it's in the charge of the proxy provider - whatever they do with it




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martin@rootjazz wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:07 pm mobile proxies / residential proxies / 4g proxies / backconnect / IPv6 proxies etc etc they are all the same, they work the same.

You connect via an IPv4 IP address to the provider. They (may) do something with the network on their end, then route you out of their network on whatever service you have. Whether that is IPv6 / residential / mobile. For residential, you are usually routed to some ones home machine who is running a free software that opens a port allowing them to be used as an (often unknowningly) as a proxy, or for IPv6 then route you on an IPv6 address, a mobile service sends you via a mobile network.

But from the apps point of view, the software (twitterdub) just sends your request via a normal IPv4 proxy and from there it doesn't care what happens to you, the request has left us, and it's in the charge of the proxy provider - whatever they do with it




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Martin
I see, thanks for the insights !

Since I had no clue what a mobile proxy looked like, I thought its format was different than the IPv4 one we use when we import our proxies in the software.

As for the proxies themselves, I don't really understand why they're better, but I can only assume they leave less footprints behind (because the IPs are rotating ? Because of the nature of the IPs ? I have no idea on that point).
That's probably why they're recommended.

For stuff like safe automation on Twitter, I don't think it's better than a fixed IP, but for automation with promotional messages inside (which are more exposed to bans), maybe it lengthen the lifespan of the account (that will sooner or later be banned, anyway) ?
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